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Monday, June 9, 2008
David Hilburn wearing an ankle braclet
Word is David is wearing an ankle braclet and is to be sentenced soon. Ask Mr. Hilburn if Mark McCormick lost any money in his investment scheme? For those that don't know Mark McCormick was a former Baylor Baseball player.
Yes he is wearing an ankle bracelet. I think this is part of the deal for him to be able to get out on bond. He had a $500,000 bond at first but got it reduced to $50,000. I think his next court date is in January. Being a self proclaimed con man I would like to see him con his way out of this one. He is also a pathological liar. He will tell you he got tired of being a lawyer, just search his name and you will find out he got disbarred. I feel sorry for his family and friends, I wonder how many of them he screwed over.
David Hilburn was just sent to jail for 20 years. His Last Blog talks more about how he has found God again than addressing the fact that he stole millions of dollars from people. This is not the first time he has done such a thing either.
After reading the comments about David Hilburn, and the self-righteous tone used in these comments, I can understand why some people question whether people are true Christians who, if they study their Bible, are told "judge not lest you be judged." Judgment is for God alone to make. People do make mistakes and grave errors in judgement and it sometimes hurts other people. Sometimes they want to correct these mistakes and hurts they have caused. Then there are others (anonymous)who spew their venom, maybe not knowing or caring that they might be hurting someone with their words. Basically folks, YES - David did wrong. YES - David did confess his wrong doings and has repaid some of the funds. YES - he broke the law and is now paying the price. But what price will you pay for breaking God's commandments, and reading these comments that several of you have written, I see that there are more than one commandmentis being broken or ignored. We sometimes lead our lives going to church on Sunday, but forget that the Bible is written for us. David didn't follow God's commandment, but I have to say, neither are some of you. Remember, in God's eyes - SIN is SIN, and what sin(s) did you commit today in your thoughts and in your deeds. I don't think God ever intended for us to gloat over another's sin, but instead we should pray for that person. You will all be in my prayers, as will David Hilburn and his "victims." w Remember the words of Christ, "the greatest of these is Love" and "love your neighbor as yourself." It really does help when you stop and realize the Bible was written for you and me as a guide for our everyday lives. May God bless you.
Yes this should be a featured thread. To abaylormom: Did you ever think of how Mr. Hilburn ruined the lives of some of the people he had dealings with. You say some of the funds have been returned. That really means nothing, he broke the law and now the law is making him pay. I did a little research on im and found that he was taking peolpes money as a lawyer in Louisiana and got disbarred. he should be so lucky to not have been charged with those crimes. You write, "Love thy neighbor as yourself". If that is the case then why did Mr. Hilburn steal from people? What are people saying on here. THE TRUTH
I have but one more question. The way you write about him and your name one would think you are his mother. Is this true?
So, are the anonymous posters doing anything to help out the victims, or is attacking David Hilburn just a convenient way to let out frustration at life?
Hilburn, by his own admission, was guilty of the crimes charged against him, and is sentenced to spend 20 years in prison. All of his assets have been liquidated to pay 2/3 of his investors' claims. That is fair, as would be requiring him to pay the remaining 33% plus interest.
However, the unsigned ones are posting as though Hilburn took their money. No, it's just selfish rage. Go fix something in your own life. Pounding Hilburn and making lame jokes won't change one thing for one day in your real world.
"Then there are others (anonymous)who spew their venom, maybe not knowing or caring that they might be hurting someone with their words."
And what about those of us who were hurt by Dave's lying, scheming ways? Those of us who had true feelings for this Godly man who "retired" from the practice of law, and then "retired" from daytrading. Oh yes, I'd say forced into retirement on both counts. By the Louisiana Supreme Court and the Texas Securities Commission. It likely would be difficult to obtain the requisite brokers license when one would undoubtedly be required to answer the ol' "have you ever had a professional license suspended." Big problem there, especially given the Louisiana Supreme Court's opinion that states that he's lacking in moral character. There's a reason those two particular professions are licensed - because those persons are held to a higher standard given the trust their clients must have in them. The last thing you want is a disbarred attorney who blew a statute of limitations, forged signatures on checks, stole from a client yet claimed the cashier's check was "lost in the mail" then borrows from that client to pay that client's sibling, executes a promissory note, then defaults on the note. I suspect no board in America would grant him a license to broker securities.
Interestingly enough, during the entire grievance processes and disbarment proceedings in Louisiana, Dave never even responded to the Louisiana Supreme Court's notices, and never attended any grievance proceeding beyond the first one when he stole money from the Boosier Parrish Bar Association when he was serving as its treasurer.
Despite his graduate degree in divinity/theology/whatever, if that's even true, as far as some of us know, Dave's never NOT known God. He merely hasn't "found God again" ... he's always claimed to have a close relationship with God. He's talked that talk, seemingly walking that walk. But none of us can (nor should we) question his faith in God or his relationship. He will have to answer for his sins. And his lies. And his scheming.
Sure in his blog he admits exactly what he admitted in front of the Judge - he did it. I'm confident that he had convinced himself that if he plead guilty, appeared to "own up" for what he did --- again, talk the talk that he's so good at talking, that he'd get nothing but a slap on the wrist, a probated sentence, and he'd go back to his life as a "line chef" (is that code for "flipping burgers") and what did Houston Chron article say, "teaching graduate prep classes" ... is that the LSAT prep class? If so, would YOU want to take a review for the Law School Admissions Test by someone who is permanently disbarred from the practice law and a convicted felon? I'd be demanding my money back.
For those of us who were his friend, it's a bitter pill to swallow to admit to ourselves that we were taken in by this seemingly charming, brilliant, witty man. It's extremely sad to think of all of the emotion, friendship, love bestowed upon him only to learn that every good quality we believe him to have was all a lie. Every single word, action, deed. A lie.
But I don't feel sorry for myself, or for him. I feel terrible for those who trusted Dave with their money - their life savings. I pray for them, and believe with all that I am that God will find a way to make them whole.
And personally, I thank God that the worse thing that happened to me was a broken heart.
I made the earlier post. Not sure why it displayed that name on the blog. It certainly didn't in my settings.
The two anonymous posters above me are asking/insinuating about the wrong dude. I don't live in Texas and have never organized a tailgate.
As far as my post, pardon the melodrama and redundancy (it was quite late), but the sentiment remains: Piling on someone after they've been convicted isn't very brave or righteous.
I was an aquaintance of David's. I met him twice, posted with him on a board, PM'd him for thoughts on Baylor and where to find the Homecoming '04 tailgate. I thought he was a legit successful guy. I'm hurt, but I'm not indignant or strident, as though one more drop of shame will restore money and trust to those people's he's defrauded.
Let me tell a story that may not be quick, but at least it's boring:
My senior year at Baylor, I met a man in a wheelchair outside the McDonald's(?) just past "under the bridge." I thought he was homeless. I befriended him and bought him groceries. I found out he was a violent felon who had been stabbed in the spine in a bar fight. For about half a year, I got to know him. I went to the apartment he lived in while taking public assistance and doing nothing back. I ate Thanksgiving dinner and swapped Christmas presents with his parents. I talked to him about Christ. I went to church with him. I visited him in McLennan County prison when he blew his probation. I watched him believe in himself, take responsibility, and seek repentence. I was ecstatic when he interviewed for and got offered a legit job. On his first day, he took a lunch break, tried to buy weed in downtown Waco, and the dealer who wanted the rest of his cash caved in his skull with a cinder block.
Yeah, I was hurt. I invested my life with him and earned the right to be my friend. That man took my money, my heart, and my trust, and frankly, screwed every opportunity he had and everyone who helped to make his life better, up to the point where he ran out of shots at redemption. I was hurt, I was grieved, and honestly, I was pissed at him, because I had to stand next to his mother at his funeral and then witness the year it took from the murder to investigation to conviction.
I'm very fortunate that's the exent of what I know about being deeply betrayed and hurt by someone. I know my grief doesn't compare to David's victims who lost their savings and faith in others, and I don't pretend it does.
I do know what it's like to be let down by someone's stupid, sinful actions and to see people put into horrendous grief by the same. I know that my first thought was "Oh, that this weren't so." My thoughts never turned to "Everyone, look at this loser and what he did! Look at how much better I am than him! Make sure you, too, impress upon him that he's a bad person, and it's all his fault!"
David Hilburn ruined lives, and none of my anger, grief, or disappointment can turn any of that back or save one victim's funds. It does make me look at the self-righteousness, pride and jealousy I have in my own life and have God change it into something beautiful and worthy of Him while I still have the chance.
You certainly weren't very outspoken when it was pointed out that he was a disbarred lawyer. Cat have your tongue then? You defended him right up until he was indicted. Take responsibility for your actions for a change.
You make plenty of money off our program running your tailgates and little site, you ought to at least have the decency to keep your felon buddies from ripping off our program. It's a little late to start trying to play defense, you should have done more and you know it.
If you don't like the criticism, you're free to quit hanging around felons that are ripping off our players. Ever give that any thought? I haven't seen anyone here attack you any more than your wife attacks people on the freeforall site.
Why do you think you're above the same criticism you guys give others?
What I do not understand is people saying that people are attacking David Hilburn. I have read the posts and all I see is people telling the truth about him and his character. I have known him probably longrr than anyone else in here (since high school) and I hve learned a lot about him. Since I have known him it has been one lie after another. I can't believe anything he has ever said to me since I have found out that most of it is not true. The people protecting him saying that he has found God and is a changed man, did it ever occur to you that he is playing you. A person like this never changes on the inside only on the outside. He will continue his scams when he gets out. I have seen him caught in many lies and all he has ever done is come up with another lie to try and save face. He is lucky he only got 20 years. State prison he will probably be out in 1 or 2 years with good behavior. Now is that fair. I do not think so. He should serve at least 1 year for every victim that he had.
For those who say I am slamming him, think what you want. Why don't you go and talk to his victims and maybe your outlook on this may change.
For those who want to protect him, I wish you all the luck in the world because you will be his next victim.
This man deserves what he got but he will get off easy until he tries one of his scams on his prison buddies.
"Former criminal attorney David Hilburn, 34, of Bossier, La., loved being in court but hated all else about the law business, like prying money owed to him out of clients. So he is lowering his shingle to trade full time via the Internet from his one-bedroom apartment. ``This is my job now,'' he says. He started with $30,000 in October, half from a friend who splits all profits."
http://www.stocktrading.com/usatoday.shtml
This was in USA Today.
http://www.lasc.org/opinions/2003/01B2330.pc.PDF
Supreme Court of Louisiana Attorney Disciplinary Proceedings.
David states that he hated prying money from clients that was owed to him. It appears that he gaot that one wrong. He took the money and ran just as he did with the securities fraud. One would think that after being busted the first time he would have learned his lesson. I would like to know what he has told people why ha is not practicing law anymore.
"Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective." James 5:16
What bothers me about these posts is just the tone of hatred in them. What are you gaining by posting facts that can be easily gleaned from a simple web search of the man's name? I don't dispute the facts stated here at all, but I am surprised at the amount of time people are spending reiterating them.
I guess you were not one of his victims. This man has lied his way through life. If you know him look back at everything he has ever told you and you will see he lied to you to. I have known him for a long time but never associated with him because I know the way he is. I have fallen victim to his lies but no more.
I would not call it hatred. Just stating facts. I could post things that others may not know about and I am sure others can too. All people are doing is stating the facts and nothing more. For someone to say he is a changed man because he found God. I laugh at you, that what he wants you to believe. It makes it easier on himself mentally to pull off his scam. For those who defend, what is going to happen when he know longer needs you?
I say keep posting. Let's hear how he has lied or cheated you.
Hilburn has been in prison for over a week now, I wonder how many of his hot dog grilling buddies have held up on their pledges of coming to see him in prison.
Actually, he remanded into the custody of the Harris County Sheriff and booked on June 6 - he's been in jail since the judge decided his sentence. You know, when they tell you to bring your toothbrush, they aren't kidding. There's no going home to pack - you go straight to jail, you do not pass Go, and you do not collect $200. I suspect he's all out of "get out of jail free cards," too.
He's presently serving time at the Harris County Jail at 701 N. San Jacinto (JA07), just up from the criminal courts building.
I'm not one of his hot dog grilling buddies, but I did go and visit him. He looks great (better than in years) and was in a great mood -- at peace with where God has him.
He shared Christ with a fellow inmate before the other guy was released. The inmate had noticed Hilburn's inexplicable sense of peace even though he faced 20 years in prison -- so he asked him where that peace came from. That inmate accepted Christ as his savior!
After being released, he came to our church just as Hilburn encouraged him to do. Now, our church is ministering to him and his wife, providing them with much needed resources.
I hope that even those of you who have been hurt by Hilburn's actions can rejoice in God using him for eternal purposes.
What you folks that call yourself supporters don't understand is that every little puff piece you give us just sounds like another episode in his con game. At this point, you think you'd show some consideration towards the people that suffered rather than trying to spin that he's all of a sudden come clean.
I can see how he went unquestioned for so long. You people are constantly trying to make it sound like deep down he's this caring, repentant Christian.
Get to Year 3 when he's spent a few holidays in the clink and then let's talk about him owning up to his crimes.
After reading this and others for the past month I just had to write something.
To those who say you know him and support him. I wish you well and hope that you do not fall victim to his lieing and cheating ways. Everybody needs somebody for support. My question to you is do you really know him?
To those who don't support him. I think we all know what he has done and the outcome of it. Does anybody have anything new to offer?
I have known the Hilburn's for a long time and I have heard a lot of things about David. He did start small with the lies way back in school. Soame of his stories to class mates were about his hunting trips and the geese and deer that he killed. Then there was the time he played golf with Willie Nelson and spending the summer at rodeo clown school. His failed marraige nobody really knows. To get the truth one would have to ask his ex-wife. Then came his lawyer days after his failed marriage. He could have had something good but his true self came out. He did not even tell his family about being disbarred until after it came out in the paper. He even blamed a lot of this on his clients.
When he first informed some of his family about the trouble he was in with the securities fraud he told some that the people he was involved with would probably kill him.
His so called finding God. David has found God a long time ago. I feel this is just part of his scamming way of life to make everything better for him. How many criminals have said that they have found God.
He says he has found God but what about his adult entertainment expenses. When he was about 22 or 23 and at the ceminary he was chasing a 16 year old girl. When he was around thirty he was caught kissing his 17 year old file girl that he had hired. His own brother did not entirely trust David to be alone with his kids and watch everything very closely. Do you christians allow this sort of activity with his adult entertain and chasing underaged girls?
What does he think going into his sentencing hearing and asking for probation. Does it really matter that some of the money was recovered and paid back (66% I think). What about the crime all together. He knew what he was doing all along and never thought twice about how he is hurting these people investing their savings with him. Repaying the money or finding God does not change what he did and is 20 years really enough? He pleading guilty to 2 counts of security fraud, how many counts couls they have gotten him on? Anybody know the answer to that one?
I only hope he gets the help he needs while he is in. Those of you who are close to him when you do something he will lie and say the he has done it better.
I feel sorry for his family for having to endure his life of lieing and cheating because I do not think that it will ever end. Will he learn his lesson? I don't think so, he will just learn some knew way to con people out of their money. More then likely he will get into a church and begin to steal money from it. Changed I don't think so. To those of you who are close to him tell him to seek the psycological help he needs.
To the person who wrote that they visited him and said he is at peace with where he is at. Think about it, what else can he be. He can not get out so what use would it be to fight where he is at.
Also, to those that support him. he lied to you also. If he was honest with you then everyone would have known about it. On his blog " A Confessional" he does not really state the extent of things because he can not be honest about things. He states he may write more sometime, when who knows. If he was being honest then he would have told his entire story and not just pieces of it. So now is he really changed. I think not. I guess we will just have to read it in his book since he is an author. A known chef, author, and a self proclamed con-man. Sad part is only the con-man is true.
Just imagine this....David gets a chance to access the web via Jail and he checks out this site and sees what all of you have said. Let him do his time in peace and get on with it..... fighting via the internet is like winning the special Olympics, even though you won you are still retarded.
July 1, 3:42 PM is a great story, regardless of whether the guy leading another guy to Christ really believes or not. Someone's gotten saved in prison. That's good stuff and whether or not Hilburn really believes or not is ultimately between him and God--not him and the internet.
Many of the people I've met who claim to be believers have been liars and cheats--does that take away the glory of the moment when a person gets saved? No. The good people in this world ultimately outnumber the ones who put on a show of faith for personal gain.
Some of these other stories may be fluff and puff, but lay off that July 1 commenter.
He will be eligible for parole sooner than anyone thinks.
Since we know plenty of David's buddies are reading this, let's hear it straight from them.
Are you guys going to speak to the parole board on his behalf? Are you going to tell the Parole board we were all wrong about him and he needs to be released, early?
Let's hear it, I'm sure there is a parole hearing isn't all that far away.
Just imagine this....David gets a chance to access the web via Jail and he checks out this site and sees what all of you have said. Let him do his time in peace and get on with it.....
I wonder if his victims have peace? I suspect not. And until they have peace, David's level of peace is of little consequence or concern.
I happened upon this blog quite by accident. What a sad day it is indeed. Today I find out that my cousin, a person I have known my entire life has taken from and hurt many innocent people. I would like you all to know about our family.Our grandparents were probably the most honest,law abiding people you would ever meet. Both of them took pride in making a honest living.Took pride in hard work. No they didn't have a big fancy home or expensive cars. They lived modestly and simply and at the end of a long hard day they had each other. Our grandparents taught us the importance of taking pride in hard work and a job well done. The importance of family, of tradition but most of all HONESTY. These Values were instilled in all of there children and yes grandchildren.That is how we were raised to value truth, justice and family.Values that my cousin has some how lost. Mama and Papa would just be sick and heartbroken by what David has done. I am thankful they are no longer here to see the devastation David has left behind and how he has squandered the gifts god gave him. David if you read this I am sorry for you. I am sorry you have forgotten who you are and where you came from.I only hope that you can some how make ammends to all of the people you have hurt and dissapointed.
Deceiver, dissembler Your trousers are alight From what pole or gallows Shall they dangle in the night?
When I asked of your career Why did you have to kick my rear With that stinking lie of thine Proclaiming that you owned a mine?
When you asked to borrow my stallion To visit a nearby-moored galleon How could I ever know that you Intended only to turn him into glue?
What red devil of mendacity Grips your soul with such tenacity? Will one you cruelly shower with lies Put a pistol ball between your eyes?
What infernal serpent Has lent you his forked tongue? From what pit of foul deceit Are all these whoppers sprung?
Deceiver, dissembler Your trousers are alight From what pole or gallows Do they dangle in the night?
Blake, a romantic known for his colorful use of supernatural and ballistic imagery, pretty much settled the question of whether or not honesty is the best policy.
Wow, like David's cousin, I also came upon this by accident. I knew David in law school. I just can't believe this has become of him. The one thing strikes as true is that he always was one with the Lord even back in law school. He claimed he had been a minister at a Baptist Church in Iowa (maybe Indiana) before he left that faith for reasons unknown, and went to work for Arthur Andersen in Dallas. He was constantly trying to get people to go to services at an Episcopal Church in Baton Rouge. He also claimed all the time he had been a pitcher on the Baylor baseball team and had pitched some game on ESPN years before. Now I am not sure that is true either but imagine people on here probably know. I vaguely recall something about his ex wife, but he never spoke about her with rancor or disrespect to me nor did he ever chase undergrad girls, go to strip clubs (he would actually decline and try to explain to us why we should not do that sort of thing) so that part of his life, if true, was not evident at that time. I am aware of his disbarment and some other just weird things he has done though other than the disbarment they were not dishonest. For instance he got a very good job with a law firm out of law school, and just played Harpoon on his computer all day until they finally asked him to leave. To me that's just weird as he never liked that sort of thing in school when we all had time to do it and that particular game had been out a few years and was very popular.
Several years after his disbarment I reached out to him and he told me basically that it was all his clients fault and he had been screwed over which I did not believe but wrote that off as someone trying to maintain some modicum of dignity when talking to old colleagues. He then told me all about his trading business and how he had a nice house, vacations, trips to the olympics, europe what have you. It all struck me as true, that he had all those things, and not just his usual bragging and I had a bad feeling. I tried to tell him to be carefull but he was not listening. I just hoped my words of caution would sink in, and apparently they did not, or at least not before it was too late.
I really feel bad for the guy. He certainly made us roll our eyes a lot as he was very full of himself in school but he was generally well liked and he never tried to take advantage of us in school. He was always very generous with school notes, food, buying beers and sharing his stuff. Never struck me as a thief or even running a con. Just somehow whose stories of athletic prowess, romance (never gross sexual escapades) and resume were suspect and the product of someone desperately trying to be big time. He always talked about his dad in particular with great love and admiration and I actually met him on one or two occasions and seemed to be everything David's cousin says.
I don't know, just a weird situation and reading all this makes me sick to my stomach. There but for the grace of God kind of feeling. I am not trying to stick up for him or blast him or those who are doing so on this board. At this point there can be no excuse for this conduct. But I do hope he helps people in prison even if he does it as part of a con. I just hate to see his life go to waste. Even if, as I suspect, a lot of his stories about Baylor baseball glory, stellar career at Andersen consulting, passionate love affairs and succesful time as a pastor were not true, he was a graduate of a good college and not only had a law degree, he did quite well in law school, had good instincts and was well liked. If anyone knows where he currently is being housed, please post it or post your e-mail and i'll send you one from mine asking for his address. I'd like to write him a letter.
I find all of this rather funny. It is amazing the lies that this man has told. He never pitched for Batlor, worked at Anderson Consulting, or was a Baptist Minister. It really does not amaze me of the stories that are starting to come out. People that are is friends I would look close at the friendship. Is he using you or can he use you in the future when he gets out. Should he be in prison. I think he should be in a mental institution learning how to distinguish what is real and what is not. He stole millions from people and hurt them but does he or anyone realize the hurt that he has caused his family. I bet he does not.
To his cousin are you the one that David was always trying to do everything that you did and do it better or you one of the 3 sisters? I feel for you and your family.
I'll say this for the guy, he was pretty convincing in law school about his stories if indeed all of these are not true. About the only one some of us ever doubted and not sure what made us suspicious was his story about having pitched for Baylor baseball but we never cared enough to look into it and that was before the wide open internet age. As far as Anderson Consulting, I seem to recall someone that and worked with him there starting law school the year after we did. They knew each other and dude had even brought some AA people from Dallas to an LSU football game and they all knew Hilburn so while we did not ask any of them, it certainly seemed to be confirmation he had briefly worked there. Now maybe he just knew them all socially or had some clerical job at the place, that's certainly possible. But OTOH it would be odd for someone who had been a Baptist minister with a theology degree who left that branch of the Christian faith to be a consultant with Anderson consulting, just doesn't seem like he would have the resume is all, but then again he did definitely know that dude and his buddies who undoubtedly did work there. Just wow is all i've got to say
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Yes he is wearing an ankle bracelet. I think this is part of the deal for him to be able to get out on bond. He had a $500,000 bond at first but got it reduced to $50,000. I think his next court date is in January. Being a self proclaimed con man I would like to see him con his way out of this one. He is also a pathological liar. He will tell you he got tired of being a lawyer, just search his name and you will find out he got disbarred. I feel sorry for his family and friends, I wonder how many of them he screwed over.
David Hilburn was just sent to jail for 20 years. His Last Blog talks more about how he has found God again than addressing the fact that he stole millions of dollars from people. This is not the first time he has done such a thing either.
http://davidhilburnblog.blogspot.com/
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Trader Bear is now serving 20 years for securities fraud.
After reading the comments about David Hilburn, and the self-righteous tone used in these comments, I can understand why some people question whether people are true Christians who, if they study their Bible, are told "judge not lest you be judged." Judgment is for God alone to make. People do make mistakes and grave errors in judgement and it sometimes hurts other people. Sometimes they want to correct these mistakes and hurts they have caused. Then there are others (anonymous)who spew their venom, maybe not knowing or caring that they might be hurting someone with their words. Basically folks, YES - David did wrong. YES - David did confess his wrong doings and has repaid some of the funds. YES - he broke the law and is now paying the price. But what price will you pay for breaking God's commandments, and reading these comments that several of you have written, I see that there are more than one commandmentis being broken or ignored. We sometimes lead our lives going to church on Sunday, but forget that the Bible is written for us. David didn't follow God's commandment, but I have to say, neither are some of you. Remember, in God's eyes - SIN is SIN, and what sin(s) did you commit today in your thoughts and in your deeds. I don't think God ever intended for us to gloat over another's sin, but instead we should pray for that person. You will all be in my prayers, as will David Hilburn and his "victims." w
Remember the words of Christ, "the greatest of these is Love" and "love your neighbor as yourself." It really does help when you stop and realize the Bible was written for you and me as a guide for our everyday lives. May God bless you.
This needs to be a featured thread
Yes this should be a featured thread. To abaylormom: Did you ever think of how Mr. Hilburn ruined the lives of some of the people he had dealings with. You say some of the funds have been returned. That really means nothing, he broke the law and now the law is making him pay. I did a little research on im and found that he was taking peolpes money as a lawyer in Louisiana and got disbarred. he should be so lucky to not have been charged with those crimes. You write, "Love thy neighbor as yourself". If that is the case then why did Mr. Hilburn steal from people? What are people saying on here. THE TRUTH
I have but one more question. The way you write about him and your name one would think you are his mother. Is this true?
I've been told he raised the money from a few of the players on our baseball team.
If that's the case, how did this guy get close enough to our program to actually meet players?
So, are the anonymous posters doing anything to help out the victims, or is attacking David Hilburn just a convenient way to let out frustration at life?
Hilburn, by his own admission, was guilty of the crimes charged against him, and is sentenced to spend 20 years in prison. All of his assets have been liquidated to pay 2/3 of his investors' claims. That is fair, as would be requiring him to pay the remaining 33% plus interest.
However, the unsigned ones are posting as though Hilburn took their money. No, it's just selfish rage. Go fix something in your own life. Pounding Hilburn and making lame jokes won't change one thing for one day in your real world.
"Then there are others (anonymous)who spew their venom, maybe not knowing or caring that they might be hurting someone with their words."
And what about those of us who were hurt by Dave's lying, scheming ways? Those of us who had true feelings for this Godly man who "retired" from the practice of law, and then "retired" from daytrading. Oh yes, I'd say forced into retirement on both counts. By the Louisiana Supreme Court and the Texas Securities Commission. It likely would be difficult to obtain the requisite brokers license when one would undoubtedly be required to answer the ol' "have you ever had a professional license suspended." Big problem there, especially given the Louisiana Supreme Court's opinion that states that he's lacking in moral character. There's a reason those two particular professions are licensed - because those persons are held to a higher standard given the trust their clients must have in them. The last thing you want is a disbarred attorney who blew a statute of limitations, forged signatures on checks, stole from a client yet claimed the cashier's check was "lost in the mail" then borrows from that client to pay that client's sibling, executes a promissory note, then defaults on the note. I suspect no board in America would grant him a license to broker securities.
Interestingly enough, during the entire grievance processes and disbarment proceedings in Louisiana, Dave never even responded to the Louisiana Supreme Court's notices, and never attended any grievance proceeding beyond the first one when he stole money from the Boosier Parrish Bar Association when he was serving as its treasurer.
Despite his graduate degree in divinity/theology/whatever, if that's even true, as far as some of us know, Dave's never NOT known God. He merely hasn't "found God again" ... he's always claimed to have a close relationship with God. He's talked that talk, seemingly walking that walk. But none of us can (nor should we) question his faith in God or his relationship. He will have to answer for his sins. And his lies. And his scheming.
Sure in his blog he admits exactly what he admitted in front of the Judge - he did it. I'm confident that he had convinced himself that if he plead guilty, appeared to "own up" for what he did --- again, talk the talk that he's so good at talking, that he'd get nothing but a slap on the wrist, a probated sentence, and he'd go back to his life as a "line chef" (is that code for "flipping burgers") and what did Houston Chron article say, "teaching graduate prep classes" ... is that the LSAT prep class? If so, would YOU want to take a review for the Law School Admissions Test by someone who is permanently disbarred from the practice law and a convicted felon? I'd be demanding my money back.
For those of us who were his friend, it's a bitter pill to swallow to admit to ourselves that we were taken in by this seemingly charming, brilliant, witty man. It's extremely sad to think of all of the emotion, friendship, love bestowed upon him only to learn that every good quality we believe him to have was all a lie. Every single word, action, deed. A lie.
But I don't feel sorry for myself, or for him. I feel terrible for those who trusted Dave with their money - their life savings. I pray for them, and believe with all that I am that God will find a way to make them whole.
And personally, I thank God that the worse thing that happened to me was a broken heart.
Hey Brian: didn't Trader meet many of his victims via your tailgates?
that's the rumor going around, B. that you led the wolf to the sheep.
correct me if i'm wrong, i'd hate to see this blog post even more false information.
I made the earlier post. Not sure why it displayed that name on the blog. It certainly didn't in my settings.
The two anonymous posters above me are asking/insinuating about the wrong dude. I don't live in Texas and have never organized a tailgate.
As far as my post, pardon the melodrama and redundancy (it was quite late), but the sentiment remains: Piling on someone after they've been convicted isn't very brave or righteous.
I was an aquaintance of David's. I met him twice, posted with him on a board, PM'd him for thoughts on Baylor and where to find the Homecoming '04 tailgate. I thought he was a legit successful guy. I'm hurt, but I'm not indignant or strident, as though one more drop of shame will restore money and trust to those people's he's defrauded.
Let me tell a story that may not be quick, but at least it's boring:
My senior year at Baylor, I met a man in a wheelchair outside the McDonald's(?) just past "under the bridge." I thought he was homeless. I befriended him and bought him groceries. I found out he was a violent felon who had been stabbed in the spine in a bar fight. For about half a year, I got to know him. I went to the apartment he lived in while taking public assistance and doing nothing back. I ate Thanksgiving dinner and swapped Christmas presents with his parents. I talked to him about Christ. I went to church with him. I visited him in McLennan County prison when he blew his probation. I watched him believe in himself, take responsibility, and seek repentence. I was ecstatic when he interviewed for and got offered a legit job. On his first day, he took a lunch break, tried to buy weed in downtown Waco, and the dealer who wanted the rest of his cash caved in his skull with a cinder block.
Yeah, I was hurt. I invested my life with him and earned the right to be my friend. That man took my money, my heart, and my trust, and frankly, screwed every opportunity he had and everyone who helped to make his life better, up to the point where he ran out of shots at redemption. I was hurt, I was grieved, and honestly, I was pissed at him, because I had to stand next to his mother at his funeral and then witness the year it took from the murder to investigation to conviction.
I'm very fortunate that's the exent of what I know about being deeply betrayed and hurt by someone. I know my grief doesn't compare to David's victims who lost their savings and faith in others, and I don't pretend it does.
I do know what it's like to be let down by someone's stupid, sinful actions and to see people put into horrendous grief by the same. I know that my first thought was "Oh, that this weren't so." My thoughts never turned to "Everyone, look at this loser and what he did! Look at how much better I am than him! Make sure you, too, impress upon him that he's a bad person, and it's all his fault!"
David Hilburn ruined lives, and none of my anger, grief, or disappointment can turn any of that back or save one victim's funds. It does make me look at the self-righteousness, pride and jealousy I have in my own life and have God change it into something beautiful and worthy of Him while I still have the chance.
I forgot to check something other than anonymous. The above post was made by me.
Brian,
You certainly weren't very outspoken when it was pointed out that he was a disbarred lawyer. Cat have your tongue then? You defended him right up until he was indicted. Take responsibility for your actions for a change.
You make plenty of money off our program running your tailgates and little site, you ought to at least have the decency to keep your felon buddies from ripping off our program. It's a little late to start trying to play defense, you should have done more and you know it.
brian,
If you don't like the criticism, you're free to quit hanging around felons that are ripping off our players. Ever give that any thought? I haven't seen anyone here attack you any more than your wife attacks people on the freeforall site.
Why do you think you're above the same criticism you guys give others?
Psst, "Brian" here isn't Brian Ethridge.
What I do not understand is people saying that people are attacking David Hilburn. I have read the posts and all I see is people telling the truth about him and his character. I have known him probably longrr than anyone else in here (since high school) and I hve learned a lot about him. Since I have known him it has been one lie after another. I can't believe anything he has ever said to me since I have found out that most of it is not true. The people protecting him saying that he has found God and is a changed man, did it ever occur to you that he is playing you. A person like this never changes on the inside only on the outside. He will continue his scams when he gets out. I have seen him caught in many lies and all he has ever done is come up with another lie to try and save face. He is lucky he only got 20 years. State prison he will probably be out in 1 or 2 years with good behavior. Now is that fair. I do not think so. He should serve at least 1 year for every victim that he had.
For those who say I am slamming him, think what you want. Why don't you go and talk to his victims and maybe your outlook on this may change.
For those who want to protect him, I wish you all the luck in the world because you will be his next victim.
This man deserves what he got but he will get off easy until he tries one of his scams on his prison buddies.
"Former criminal attorney David Hilburn, 34, of Bossier, La., loved being in court but hated all else about the law business, like prying money owed to him out of clients. So he is lowering his shingle to trade full time via the Internet from his one-bedroom apartment. ``This is my job now,'' he says. He started with $30,000 in October, half from a friend who splits all profits."
http://www.stocktrading.com/usatoday.shtml
This was in USA Today.
http://www.lasc.org/opinions/2003/01B2330.pc.PDF
Supreme Court of Louisiana Attorney Disciplinary Proceedings.
David states that he hated prying money from clients that was owed to him. It appears that he gaot that one wrong. He took the money and ran just as he did with the securities fraud. One would think that after being busted the first time he would have learned his lesson. I would like to know what he has told people why ha is not practicing law anymore.
"Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective." James 5:16
What bothers me about these posts is just the tone of hatred in them. What are you gaining by posting facts that can be easily gleaned from a simple web search of the man's name? I don't dispute the facts stated here at all, but I am surprised at the amount of time people are spending reiterating them.
I guess you were not one of his victims. This man has lied his way through life. If you know him look back at everything he has ever told you and you will see he lied to you to. I have known him for a long time but never associated with him because I know the way he is. I have fallen victim to his lies but no more.
I would not call it hatred. Just stating facts. I could post things that others may not know about and I am sure others can too. All people are doing is stating the facts and nothing more. For someone to say he is a changed man because he found God. I laugh at you, that what he wants you to believe. It makes it easier on himself mentally to pull off his scam. For those who defend, what is going to happen when he know longer needs you?
I say keep posting. Let's hear how he has lied or cheated you.
Hilburn has been in prison for over a week now, I wonder how many of his hot dog grilling buddies have held up on their pledges of coming to see him in prison.
Actually, he remanded into the custody of the Harris County Sheriff and booked on June 6 - he's been in jail since the judge decided his sentence. You know, when they tell you to bring your toothbrush, they aren't kidding. There's no going home to pack - you go straight to jail, you do not pass Go, and you do not collect $200. I suspect he's all out of "get out of jail free cards," too.
He's presently serving time at the Harris County Jail at 701 N. San Jacinto (JA07), just up from the criminal courts building.
http://apps.jims.hctx.net/sopublic/
I'm not one of his hot dog grilling buddies, but I did go and visit him. He looks great (better than in years) and was in a great mood -- at peace with where God has him.
He shared Christ with a fellow inmate before the other guy was released. The inmate had noticed Hilburn's inexplicable sense of peace even though he faced 20 years in prison -- so he asked him where that peace came from. That inmate accepted Christ as his savior!
After being released, he came to our church just as Hilburn encouraged him to do. Now, our church is ministering to him and his wife, providing them with much needed resources.
I hope that even those of you who have been hurt by Hilburn's actions can rejoice in God using him for eternal purposes.
What you folks that call yourself supporters don't understand is that every little puff piece you give us just sounds like another episode in his con game. At this point, you think you'd show some consideration towards the people that suffered rather than trying to spin that he's all of a sudden come clean.
I can see how he went unquestioned for so long. You people are constantly trying to make it sound like deep down he's this caring, repentant Christian.
Get to Year 3 when he's spent a few holidays in the clink and then let's talk about him owning up to his crimes.
After reading this and others for the past month I just had to write something.
To those who say you know him and support him. I wish you well and hope that you do not fall victim to his lieing and cheating ways. Everybody needs somebody for support. My question to you is do you really know him?
To those who don't support him. I think we all know what he has done and the outcome of it. Does anybody have anything new to offer?
I have known the Hilburn's for a long time and I have heard a lot of things about David. He did start small with the lies way back in school. Soame of his stories to class mates were about his hunting trips and the geese and deer that he killed. Then there was the time he played golf with Willie Nelson and spending the summer at rodeo clown school. His failed marraige nobody really knows. To get the truth one would have to ask his ex-wife. Then came his lawyer days after his failed marriage. He could have had something good but his true self came out. He did not even tell his family about being disbarred until after it came out in the paper. He even blamed a lot of this on his clients.
When he first informed some of his family about the trouble he was in with the securities fraud he told some that the people he was involved with would probably kill him.
His so called finding God. David has found God a long time ago. I feel this is just part of his scamming way of life to make everything better for him. How many criminals have said that they have found God.
He says he has found God but what about his adult entertainment expenses. When he was about 22 or 23 and at the ceminary he was chasing a 16 year old girl. When he was around thirty he was caught kissing his 17 year old file girl that he had hired. His own brother did not entirely trust David to be alone with his kids and watch everything very closely. Do you christians allow this sort of activity with his adult entertain and chasing underaged girls?
What does he think going into his sentencing hearing and asking for probation. Does it really matter that some of the money was recovered and paid back (66% I think). What about the crime all together. He knew what he was doing all along and never thought twice about how he is hurting these people investing their savings with him. Repaying the money or finding God does not change what he did and is 20 years really enough? He pleading guilty to 2 counts of security fraud, how many counts couls they have gotten him on? Anybody know the answer to that one?
I only hope he gets the help he needs while he is in. Those of you who are close to him when you do something he will lie and say the he has done it better.
I feel sorry for his family for having to endure his life of lieing and cheating because I do not think that it will ever end. Will he learn his lesson? I don't think so, he will just learn some knew way to con people out of their money. More then likely he will get into a church and begin to steal money from it. Changed I don't think so. To those of you who are close to him tell him to seek the psycological help he needs.
To the person who wrote that they visited him and said he is at peace with where he is at. Think about it, what else can he be. He can not get out so what use would it be to fight where he is at.
Also, to those that support him. he lied to you also. If he was honest with you then everyone would have known about it. On his blog " A Confessional" he does not really state the extent of things because he can not be honest about things. He states he may write more sometime, when who knows. If he was being honest then he would have told his entire story and not just pieces of it. So now is he really changed. I think not. I guess we will just have to read it in his book since he is an author. A known chef, author, and a self proclamed con-man. Sad part is only the con-man is true.
Just imagine this....David gets a chance to access the web via Jail and he checks out this site and sees what all of you have said. Let him do his time in peace and get on with it..... fighting via the internet is like winning the special Olympics, even though you won you are still retarded.
July 1, 3:42 PM is a great story, regardless of whether the guy leading another guy to Christ really believes or not. Someone's gotten saved in prison. That's good stuff and whether or not Hilburn really believes or not is ultimately between him and God--not him and the internet.
Many of the people I've met who claim to be believers have been liars and cheats--does that take away the glory of the moment when a person gets saved? No. The good people in this world ultimately outnumber the ones who put on a show of faith for personal gain.
Some of these other stories may be fluff and puff, but lay off that July 1 commenter.
8:48, just as long as he keeps his self righteous ass off baylorfans, thanks. good riddance.
He will be eligible for parole sooner than anyone thinks.
Since we know plenty of David's buddies are reading this, let's hear it straight from them.
Are you guys going to speak to the parole board on his behalf? Are you going to tell the Parole board we were all wrong about him and he needs to be released, early?
Let's hear it, I'm sure there is a parole hearing isn't all that far away.
Just imagine this....David gets a chance to access the web via Jail and he checks out this site and sees what all of you have said. Let him do his time in peace and get on with it.....
I wonder if his victims have peace? I suspect not. And until they have peace, David's level of peace is of little consequence or concern.
Is it true that Wacoso has morphed into Chamber Oso at Baylorfans?
No - chamberoso is too smart to be wacoso. wacoso was in some fraternity at bu, not chamber
I happened upon this blog quite by accident. What a sad day it is indeed. Today I find out that my cousin, a person I have known my entire life has taken from and hurt many innocent people. I would like you all to know about our family.Our grandparents were probably the most honest,law abiding people you would ever meet. Both of them took pride in making a honest living.Took pride in hard work. No they didn't have a big fancy home or expensive cars. They lived modestly and simply and at the end of a long hard day they had each other. Our grandparents taught us the importance of taking pride in hard work and a job well done. The importance of family, of tradition but most of all HONESTY. These Values were instilled in all of there children and yes grandchildren.That is how we were raised to value truth, justice and family.Values that my cousin has some how lost. Mama and Papa would just be sick and heartbroken by what David has done. I am thankful they are no longer here to see the devastation David has left behind and how he has squandered the gifts god gave him.
David if you read this I am sorry for you. I am sorry you have forgotten who you are and where you came from.I only hope that you can some how make ammends to all of the people you have hurt and dissapointed.
“The Liar” by William Blake, 1810
Deceiver, dissembler
Your trousers are alight
From what pole or gallows
Shall they dangle in the night?
When I asked of your career
Why did you have to kick my rear
With that stinking lie of thine
Proclaiming that you owned a mine?
When you asked to borrow my stallion
To visit a nearby-moored galleon
How could I ever know that you
Intended only to turn him into glue?
What red devil of mendacity
Grips your soul with such tenacity?
Will one you cruelly shower with lies
Put a pistol ball between your eyes?
What infernal serpent
Has lent you his forked tongue?
From what pit of foul deceit
Are all these whoppers sprung?
Deceiver, dissembler
Your trousers are alight
From what pole or gallows
Do they dangle in the night?
Blake, a romantic known for his colorful use of supernatural and ballistic imagery,
pretty much settled the question of whether or not honesty is the best policy.
Wow, like David's cousin, I also came upon this by accident. I knew David in law school. I just can't believe this has become of him. The one thing strikes as true is that he always was one with the Lord even back in law school. He claimed he had been a minister at a Baptist Church in Iowa (maybe Indiana) before he left that faith for reasons unknown, and went to work for Arthur Andersen in Dallas. He was constantly trying to get people to go to services at an Episcopal Church in Baton Rouge. He also claimed all the time he had been a pitcher on the Baylor baseball team and had pitched some game on ESPN years before. Now I am not sure that is true either but imagine people on here probably know. I vaguely recall something about his ex wife, but he never spoke about her with rancor or disrespect to me nor did he ever chase undergrad girls, go to strip clubs (he would actually decline and try to explain to us why we should not do that sort of thing) so that part of his life, if true, was not evident at that time. I am aware of his disbarment and some other just weird things he has done though other than the disbarment they were not dishonest. For instance he got a very good job with a law firm out of law school, and just played Harpoon on his computer all day until they finally asked him to leave. To me that's just weird as he never liked that sort of thing in school when we all had time to do it and that particular game had been out a few years and was very popular.
Several years after his disbarment I reached out to him and he told me basically that it was all his clients fault and he had been screwed over which I did not believe but wrote that off as someone trying to maintain some modicum of dignity when talking to old colleagues. He then told me all about his trading business and how he had a nice house, vacations, trips to the olympics, europe what have you. It all struck me as true, that he had all those things, and not just his usual bragging and I had a bad feeling. I tried to tell him to be carefull but he was not listening. I just hoped my words of caution would sink in, and apparently they did not, or at least not before it was too late.
I really feel bad for the guy. He certainly made us roll our eyes a lot as he was very full of himself in school but he was generally well liked and he never tried to take advantage of us in school. He was always very generous with school notes, food, buying beers and sharing his stuff. Never struck me as a thief or even running a con. Just somehow whose stories of athletic prowess, romance (never gross sexual escapades) and resume were suspect and the product of someone desperately trying to be big time. He always talked about his dad in particular with great love and admiration and I actually met him on one or two occasions and seemed to be everything David's cousin says.
I don't know, just a weird situation and reading all this makes me sick to my stomach. There but for the grace of God kind of feeling. I am not trying to stick up for him or blast him or those who are doing so on this board. At this point there can be no excuse for this conduct. But I do hope he helps people in prison even if he does it as part of a con. I just hate to see his life go to waste. Even if, as I suspect, a lot of his stories about Baylor baseball glory, stellar career at Andersen consulting, passionate love affairs and succesful time as a pastor were not true, he was a graduate of a good college and not only had a law degree, he did quite well in law school, had good instincts and was well liked. If anyone knows where he currently is being housed, please post it or post your e-mail and i'll send you one from mine asking for his address. I'd like to write him a letter.
Thanks
NOT surprised that he worked for enron's accountants. NOT at all.
FWIW our understanding in school was he worked in the consulting division in Dallas, not as a CPA.
I find all of this rather funny. It is amazing the lies that this man has told. He never pitched for Batlor, worked at Anderson Consulting, or was a Baptist Minister. It really does not amaze me of the stories that are starting to come out. People that are is friends I would look close at the friendship. Is he using you or can he use you in the future when he gets out. Should he be in prison. I think he should be in a mental institution learning how to distinguish what is real and what is not. He stole millions from people and hurt them but does he or anyone realize the hurt that he has caused his family. I bet he does not.
To his cousin are you the one that David was always trying to do everything that you did and do it better or you one of the 3 sisters? I feel for you and your family.
I'll say this for the guy, he was pretty convincing in law school about his stories if indeed all of these are not true. About the only one some of us ever doubted and not sure what made us suspicious was his story about having pitched for Baylor baseball but we never cared enough to look into it and that was before the wide open internet age. As far as Anderson Consulting, I seem to recall someone that and worked with him there starting law school the year after we did. They knew each other and dude had even brought some AA people from Dallas to an LSU football game and they all knew Hilburn so while we did not ask any of them, it certainly seemed to be confirmation he had briefly worked there. Now maybe he just knew them all socially or had some clerical job at the place, that's certainly possible. But OTOH it would be odd for someone who had been a Baptist minister with a theology degree who left that branch of the Christian faith to be a consultant with Anderson consulting, just doesn't seem like he would have the resume is all, but then again he did definitely know that dude and his buddies who undoubtedly did work there. Just wow is all i've got to say
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